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BOARD ACTION DECEMBER 14, 2016
This Item is being brought back to the Board for RATIFICATION because:
Trustee McNicholas was absent from the November 16, 2016 board meeting.
Trustee Alpay's term ended with the November 16, 2016 board meeting and Trustee Holloway will be replacing Trustee Alpay at the December 14, 2016 board meeting.
at 110:12 The Board voted 4-2-1 to approve the Bergeson Elementary School - Newhart Middle School Capistrano Valley High School pathway.
Yes - Trustees McNicholas, Jones, Pritchard, Hanacek
No - Trustees Reardon - Holloway
Absent - Trustee Hatton Hodson
at 91:15 Dr Susan Holiday presents: SECOND READING Board Policy 5111.5. Tonight Trustees will vote for the ratification of the matriculation pathway for the Mandarin Immersion Program which was approved at the November 16, 2016 Board Meeting:
at 92:25 Mike Useff (MIP Parent) Thank you for choosing the Bergeson Elementary School - Newhart Middle School - Capistrano Valley High School pathway.
at 93:10 Adrian Kosas PTA President Bergeson Elementary. We appreciate MIP Program. Thank you thinking of the City of Laguna Niguel.
at 94:15 Trustee Pritchard moved to Ratify Board Policy 5111.5
Trustee Hanacek Seconds the motion
at 95:04 Trustee Holloway supports Las Flores (not Newhart) as the middle school option because of its location and easy access to San Clemente families who started the program. Program was intended to operate in a local accessible to all residents. The opening of La Pata has made Las Flores the best option for all parents, especially San Clemente parents who have children at more than one school. Many families will be forced to drop out of the program if there is not a more centralized location. She understands the impact on Bergeson if the MIP program is moved to Las Flores, but feels that could be mitigated by putting other special programing on that campus. Would hope that CUSD would work with MIP Foundation to solve transportation issues to get people to Las Flores or help San Clemente residents get to Newhart.
at 97:36 Trustee Reardon supports Las Flores because of its central location and because it keeps the elementary and middle school program on a single campus. Feels that the strong parental involvement will be split if we split the program into three campuses.
at 98:28 Trustee Hanacek sofies choice. Yhe Las Flores option is not feasible since Measure M failed. You are wrong in saying that dividing campuses will divide parents. Parents follow their kids where ever they go. Newhart will become a language academy and there are wonderful opportunities for students at Capo Valley High School. I support the Bergeson Elementary School - Newhart Middle School - Capistrano Valley High School pathway.
at 100.24 Trustee McNicholas I was not at the last Board meeting so I have some comments.I support the Bergeson Elementary School - Newhart Middle School - Capistrano Valley High School pathway. We did not do the work to include the parents at Las Flores that MIP may be coming. Regarding transportation and distances. Most MIP programs are still in elementary school. Parents have opted in to specialized programing, Parents work out carpools- after school clubs etc to make these driving situations work. We should not be looking at subsidized transportation for MIP students other wise we need to look at it for everyone. But, that being said is there flexibility in our current busing routes. Have parents drop at Bergeson then drop off at Avery bus stop.
at 105:04 Superintendent Vital I would need a majority of the Board to direct staff to look at busing options.
at 105:53 Trustee McNicholas - Pass policy as it is and separately address busing options.
at 106:16 Trustee Hanacek - there is a cost element to all of these, but I suppose we could lump it in to our discussion of transportation.
at 106:50 Superintendent Vital there is a liability issue with having students picked up and dropped off in unsupervised ares.
1:07:06 Deputy Superintendent Clark Hamption there is liability issues with having students picked up and dropped off in unsupervised ares.
1:07:35 Superintendent Vital - Does the majority of Trustees want us to look at busing options for MIP students or not.
at 107:44 Trsutess Jones - Suggest no. Maybe Martha can get more info offline.
at 108:10 - Trustee Reardon - not in favor of an option that makes an exception in transportation policy. Not in favor of creating free standing unsupervised bus stop for second leg transportation. If we explore these options we need to integrate them into our existing school sites so students are supervised. Students dropped at Marco could be transported to San Juan Hills high is possible. Dropping them on a street corner is problematic.
at 109:39 Trustee Jones - Dropping students at Carl Hankey would be fine.
at 109:47 Superintendent Vital- for the purposes of tonight we need to vote on the matriculation pathway and then bring back a transportation analysis for future conversation.
at 110:12 the Board voted 4-2-1 to approve the Bergeson Elementary School - Newhart Middle School - Capistrano Valley High School pathway.
Yes - Trustees McNicholas, Jones, Pritchard, Hanacek
No - Trustees Reardon - Holloway
Absent - Trustee Hatton Hodson
BACKGROUND - NOVEMBER 16, 2016 BOT MEETING
BOARD POLICY 5111.5 EFFECTS SPANISH IMMERSION - MANDARIN IMMERSION - IB PROGRAMS. THE MAIN TOPIC WAS THE MANDARIN IMMERSION MATRICULATION PATHWAY WHICH HAS BEEN HOTLY DEBATED BY PARENTS.
The Pathways for Spanish Immersion and International Baccalaureate have already been set. Trustees are voting on the matriculation pathway for the Mandarin Immersion Program.
Mandarin Immersion presentation starts on page 371:
at 60:38 - 90:30 Presentation By Dr. Holiday
Considered all K-8 schools - all middle schools - transportation
Narrowed to the following choices:
at 90:40 Superintendent Vital No perfect answer. Not everyone will be happy. Make a decision tonight so ratification can happen at next meeting.
at 91:43 Trustee Hatton-Hodson will be gone next Board Meeting
at 92:07 Public Comments Re: Mandarin Immersion Matriculation Pathway (20 speakers - Trustees limited Comments to 1 minute motion by Hanacek - 2nd Hatton Vote 6-0-1 McNicholas absent)
at 92:58 Daniel Mash: 1st Choice Las Flores 2nd Choice Newhart
at 94:43 Audrey Shaw: No on Niguel Hills because of cost - concerned about feeder patterns
at 95:40 Linda Tawara: Public transportation important
at 96:38 Mike Yuseff: Newhart is only fiscally responsible choice. SARC Reports Newhart out performs Niguel Hills
at 97:50 Jennifer Macy: Newhart is the fiscally prudent choice.
at 98:50 Kathy Salas: Sits on Language Sub-Committee - 1st Choice Newhart - Cost - Least Disruptive - Feeder Pattern - Best Access - Spirit of Multiculturalism
at 100:10 Nicole Queen: Mip needs 14 classrooms Worried about Las Flores mixing elementary and middle school students on the same campus
at 101:18 Samantha Bara: Feeder Patterns important - Middle School to High School
at 102:22 Doug Payne: Commute time Newhart to Bergeson because of start times is possible.
at 103:35 Elizabeth Dawson: 5th grader - Niguel Hills Village Model we don't fit in that model
at 104:40 Jennifer Regen: Mandarin Families are very involved in fundraising at Bergeson and they would be missed
at 106:10 Adrian Cosa: PTA President Bergeson would loose 1/2 of fundraising
at 107:09 Jental Lynn: Table page 7 - Declining Enrollment at Niguel Hills - we do not need new classrooms
at 108:16 Joey Leu: Certain Schools will cause families to have to drop out. Make a decision that keeps everyone together
at 109:10 Dave Javahari: 25 kids are not going to be able to stay if there are multiple drop offs - a sustainable program requires a central location
at: 110:47 Scout Dennison: 4th grade student Bergeson Elementary
at 112:00 ? 2nd grade student Bergeson Elementary
at 112:47 William Keller: Concerns about Los Flores because of travel time- needs to be centrally located
at 114:07 Danny Crouch: Feeder Patters a priority
at 115:26 Lindsay Dennison: At what point does English catch up - what happens to these kids if they can't drive to the new school.
at 116:30 Grace Pratt: School needs to be centrally located
at 117:58 Trustees Comments
at 118:10 Trustee Hanacek - Clarify Aliso Viejo Middle School
Response from Dr. Holiday - 1 class available - would have to repurpose to make it work. Portables could be placed - Cost $100,000 per portable - need 2 space for 4 - funding source developer fees.
at 121:00 Trustee Reardon
Regret that Board made High School Decision before Middle School Decision - the feeder patter that matters is elementary to middle school. Boils down to One Campus or Two - favors Las Flores - no break in feeder pattern - costs low - would not mix 3 graders with middle schoolers would mix 5th and 6th graders with middle schoolers. Re-locate Mandarin program from Bergeson will have a negative effect on the non-mandarin students left at Bergeson.
at 127:02 Trustee Pritchard
Newhart is the best option financially - Trustee Pritchard makes a motion to Make Newhart Middle School the choice. His motion is seconded by Trustee Hatton-Hodson.
at 127:50 Trustee Hatton- Hodson
Arguments changed based on desires. Drive from freeway to Las Paz vs Oso
at 129:20 Trustee Alpay
Understand Newhart as a choice - but you need a mitigating factor for San Clemente residents if you choose Newhart. Las Flores is least expensive, has a K-8 and easy access for Trustee Area 1 and 3 (San Clemente and Dana Point). One location Elementary/Middle is better than two.
at 132.30 Trustee Hatton-Hodson
Choosing Newhart does not mean we do not value San Clemente and Dana Point and Bergeson doesn't need to be a problem unless we make it a problem.
at 133.27 Trustee Alpay
No mitigation for transportation for people in south.
at 133:54 Trustee Htton-Hodson
I don't agree with mitigation on transportation - comments must be neutral.
at 134:40 Trustee Jones
Questions re: start times. Middle School 7.5 hours start to finish - Elementary School 6.5 hours. Changing elementary school start time from 7:45 to 8:15 they would get out at 2:35 and make Bergeson and Newhart possible.
at 137:14 Superintendent Kristen Vital
We have budget loss and inefficiencies due to school site start and end times.
at 138:05 Trustee Jones
There are no buses that go to Bergeson. How would prospective transportation work if we pick Newhart. I want to avoid an impact on Bergeson without Trustee McNicholas being present and without anyone having a conversation with the City of Laguna Niguel.
at 140:45 Superintendent Kristen Vital
Explains transportation issues at CUSD.
at 142.04 Trustee Jones
What about a bus from Bergeson to Newhart. What about adding a a full day TK at Bergeson and a GATE Magnate school to keep enrollment numbers up.
at 144:00 Trustee Reardon
MIP depends on parent resources which may not survive if the MIP program is spread across two schools. One location - critical mass - small numbers so don't split it between two schools.
at 147:00 Trustee Hatton-Hodson
Berguson will become a Charter school if we move MIP out of Bergeson.
at 147:43 Trustee Reardon
How can you say that - there are seven other schools that are on the list of small schools.
at 148:00 Trustee Hanacek
Basing Las Flores on unknowns - we do not know what Las Flores enrollment will be because we do not know how Estancia K-8 will affect Las Flores.
at 149:30 Dr Holiday
Facilities - we need to look at capacity, not open seats. There are no open classrooms at Niguel.
at 151:00 Trustee Hanacek
So there is no way around spending money from the General Fund to fix classrooms if we choose Niguel
at 151:43 Trustee Reardon
We have the money to pay for Essencia K-5 but 6-8 portion may need to be phased in which will effect Las Flores capacity. What is the capacity at Las Flores 1,300? Capacity if 1257 enrollment is at 992.
Even if we don't build Essecncia 6-8 we have room for everything.
at 154:22 Trustee Alpay
You are not going to be able to grow this program beyond 2 classrooms per grade.
at 154:38 Trustee Hanacek
I value feeder patterns. If we do Las Flores the feeder pattern is to Tesoro. There is a motion on the table. There is a motion on the table
at 156:56 Trustee Jones
The bus transportation option for all options
at 157:22 Trustee Alpay
I would only do bus transportation to Newhart not Las Flores.
at 158:00 Trustee Pritchard
We can pass this policy today and deal with busing mitigation later
at 158:16 Trustee Hanacek
Who bears the cost of the bus? The parents?
at 158:24 Superintendent Kristen Vital/Clark
The cost is $975 per student. Purchase bus by 2021 4 buses total cost $807,000 or lease for $93,000 per year for 10 years.
at 159:53 Trustee Hanacek
Motion on the table for Newhart middle school. Would have to be ratified at the next Board meeting
at 160:21 Trustee Alpay
Las Flores is my first choice but I can be persuaded.
at 161:07 Trustee Hanacek
The busing needs to be taken off the table- it is to expensive.
at 161:48 Trustee Pritchard
What is the cost for busing?
at 162:00 Clark Hampton
Purchase bus by 2021 4 buses total cost $807,000 or lease for $93,000 per year for 10 years.
at 162:14 Superintendent Kristen Vital
Based on the Bylaw you can vote tonight to pass the policy and have it be put on consent to be ratified at the next meeting.
at 162:48 Trustee Hanacek
Pull it from consent and have her questions answered.
at 162:57 Trustee Pritchard
Trustee Holloway will also be present at the next Board meeting.
at 163:11 Superintendent Kristen Vital
To pass it tonight, you need at least 4 Trustees
at 163:34 Trustee Hanacek
Roll Call Vote on the motion to approve Newhart without transportation
at 164:03 Trustee Alpay
I suggest a pole and do the vote next week when Trustee McNocholas is back and new Trustee Holloway is present
at 164:10 Trustee Alpay
I would pole the Trustees tonight and do the vote next meeting
at 164:20 Trustee Jones
Parents have waited long enough. We need to vote tonight
164:30 Trustee Reardon
I would suggest that poll tonight and put the vote off till next meeting
at 164:57 Trustee Jones
Parents have waited long enough. We need to vote tonight why Lynn is here now.
at 165:39 Hanacek Roll Call Vote Middle School Newhart busing excluded
at 165:55 Trustee Alpay
Do not put it on concent Calendar next meeting - have a discussion
at 167:04 Trustee Pritchard
Motion to place MIP program at Fred Newhart Middle School
at 167:37 Motion Carries 4:2:1 to make Newhart Middle School the MIP program middle school.
4 - Trustee Hanacek, Pritchard, Hatton-Hodson and Jones voted yes
2 - Trustee Alpay and Trustee Readon voted no.
1 - Trustee Martha McNicholas was absent
The Policy will need to be ratified at the next meeting because Trustee McNicholas was absent.